Oz Report

Volume 12, Number 63
Friday, Mar 28 2008
LA, CA, USA
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to Table of Contentsto next topic Tin Cup, value for money

Thu, Mar 27 2008, 7:24:14 am PDT

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We do our very best to provide what you find useful (and rely on many of our readers to help us out with information and articles).  We're not perfect, but we're here making the effort every day.

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to Table of Contentsto next topic The relatively high prices for rigid wing hang gliders

Thu, Mar 27 2008, 7:26:08 am PDT

They are made in Europe, eastern Europe, and the Ukraine 48.811597,8.961132,AIR+factory,+Germany(AIR factory, Germany)

From Aeros USA at http://www.flyaeros.com/ :

PHANTOM - RIGID WING Retail
Phantom Basic (WW uprights, ALU round speedbar) $14,138
Phantom Standard (WW uprights, carbon airfoil speedbar) $14,355
Phantom Super (superfinish LE, WW uprights and speedbar) $15,791

Original version found at AIR USA at http://a-i-r-usa.com/content.asp?ID=4381:

ATOS November 15, 2007 MSRP
GLIDERS MSRP-Euro's In current Dollars
A-VN Alu €10,500.00 $15,750.00
A-VN Carbon €11,630.00 $17,445.00
A-VR Carbon €13,780.00 $20,670.00
A-VQ Carbon €13,480.00 $20,220.00
A-VS Alu €10,500.00 $15,750.00
A-VS Carbon €11,630.00 $17,445.00
A-VX Carbon €13,220.00 $19,830.00

The prices are FOB Germany and so crating and freight to the US and destination are in addition Prices in USD are firm for the Euro trading below 1.50 to the US Dollar - please confirm.

If I adjust the AIR USA prices that I show above for the Euro at $1.54 (as the prices given at the AIR USA web site only are good with the euro up to $1.50), I get:

A-VN Alu €10,500.00 $16,170.00
A-VN Carbon €11,630.00 $17,910.20
A-VR Carbon €13,780.00 $21,221.20
A-VQ Carbon €13,480.00 $20,759.20
A-VS Alu €10,500.00 $16,170.00
A-VS Carbon €11,630.00 $17,910.20
A-VX Carbon €13,220.00 $20,358.80

This, of course, is just my guess at what the prices might be if they were adjusted to the Euro/dollar exchange rate.  Within the last two weeks the Euro was as high as $1.59.

The MSRP Euros column above matches except in two cases the AIR (manufacturer's suggested retail prices) found here: http://www.a-i-r.de/eng/air_04e.php?kat=110&gp=4&stl=Models in the overview.  AIR's MSRP prices in Euros include VAT (17.5%) which is only charged in Europe and doesn't apply to non European sales.

The differences are seen in the list prices for the VR and the VQ.  AIR lists the VQ at 13,850, while Jim lists it at 13,480 Euros.  And Felix lists the VR at 14,050, while AIR USA lists it at 13,780 Euros.

The MSRP Euro prices listed on AIR USA web site can just be multiplied by 1.50 to get the US prices on the AIR USA web site.  As except in two cases where there are relatively minor differences, the MSRP Euro prices listed on the AIR USA web site match the listed Euro prices on the AIR web site, which include VAT (which is not charged in the US), this makes it appear as though the US prices, in some manner, includes an equivalent of the VAT, which goes to the dealer and/or distributor, and not the government.

This doesn't seem to be the case, for example, with Icaro, which lists prices excluding VAT for sales outside of Europehttp://www.icaro2000.com/Products/Hanggliders/Z9/Z9.htm#6.

AIR USA, the US distributor for AIR, is, as stated on the AIR web site, free to list any pricing that it feels is appropriate for its market and its costs.

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to Table of Contentsto next topic VAT and hang gliders

Thu, Mar 27 2008, 7:26:27 am PDT

Switzerland is not part of the EU 48.811597,8.961132,AIR+factory,+Germany(AIR factory, Germany)

Matthias "Möve Flieger" <FreieMoeve> writes:

It's no secret in the southern part of Germany, that it's worth to take a trip to Switzerland for a new Glider.  VAT here is 19% (!) While in Switzerland it's only 7.6% !  Most of pilots I know saved a minimum of 600EUROS (~1000US$) up to 800EUROS!  ;-)

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to Table of Contentsto next topic Landings, some good, some bad

Thu, Mar 27 2008, 7:26:45 am PDT

A discussion with videos on how to land

Here at the Oz Report forum.

#1 problem when people land...  too slow. 
#1 thing people *think* is the cause of their bad landings...  hand position.

Here's the secret....

Most gliders can be flared at trim.

Now naturally this changes if you're not in the weight range of the glider or if it's trimmed wrong.  There are ways to deal with all this, but you make exceptions to the rules only once you have the rules.

Lets be clear on this too...  I mean what I say here....  they can be flared at trim.

There's a pilot here that demonstrates this every time he lands....  He swoops into the landing field...  and slowly lets the glider come to trim in ground effect (yes, the slowing part is all done in ground effect)...  when the glider gets to trim...  here's the neat part...  he lets go of the uprights.

I mean fully lets go...  hands off.

He has his hands an inch or two behind the bars...  then as he places them back onto the bars, he continues the motion up into a flare.  It's a pretty fast movement once he starts to put his hands on the bars, and it's a smooth definitive movement.

Perfect landing...  EVERY TIME.

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to Table of Contentsto next topic Pitcher's toe

(This topic is in: Mar.28 Mar.11 )

Thu, Mar 27 2008, 7:27:03 am PDT

Three bottles for your boot.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11112&start=12

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11112

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to Table of Contentsto next topic Fly King Mountain

Thu, Mar 27 2008, 7:27:19 am PDT

A challenge from Vermont 43.767669,-113.290071,King+Mountain(King Mountain)

http://www.flykingmountain.com/

John Armstrong <jmarmstrong1> writes:

A now retired hang glider pilot, John Armstrong, living in Montpelier, Vermont, USHPA #14441, passed President of the Vermont Hang Gliding Association, and a supporter of the wonderful hang gliding sport has pledged to

1) give a $50 bill to the oldest competitor in the King Mountain Hang Gliding Championships,

and

2) give a $50 bill to the pilot coming in 30th in the King Mountain Hang Gliding Championships.

John and his long time hang gliding friend, Jakob Schwaiger (of Vermont's Jake's Mountain), will be attending the meet as spectators, and as a small fun way to support the sport.  John is offering this as a token of the extraordinary privilege he enjoyed being part of the early history of foot launched hang gliding.

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